Holy crap there’s some stupid here:
Death threats are never acceptable.
Er…really? If I see a burly man about to bring an axe down on a little girl’s head, and I say “drop the weapon or I’ll empty this 13-round clip into your torso”…that’s not acceptable? Okay, I’ll blow him away without warning, then. Cry me a river, girly-man. Your opinion’s worth can be measured in microgiveashits.
What I don’t find acceptable are substitutions for reason. Obviously there’s a place for death threats. Claiming otherwise merely damages one’s credibility. I agree that abortion isn’t the place for them, but note our current situation. We’ve reached the point where “ethicists” argue for “after-birth abortion”. I’m perfectly willing to listen to their argument without slitting their miserable throats…after they define the difference between “a-b abortion” and “infanticide”. Have they?
(Rhetorical question, btw.)
The good guys let things get way too complicated because they’re not willing to take on the bad guys. If it’s wrong for me to march into a hospital’s maternity ward and start dashing out the brains of newborns, it’s wrong for anyone to pitch the idea of “after-birth abortion”. Yes. Things have actually become this simple. This is where we are. And if we don’t beat the holy crap out of today’s “ethicists”, tomorrow they’ll be saying that killing pre-verbal homo sapien sapiens is okay.
The Lesser Races will be next, until we get to some…shall we say…
Then I’m unacceptable. I can live with that.
I have an active death threat out there. Anyone going after my niece, my god-daughters, the woman I love or anyone else I care about, attacking them, harming them, hurting them, will be hunted down and will beg for death before the end. I’m good with human anatomy. I can inflict significant pain.
And I’m somewhat sick and tired of all those “ethicists” and other non-scientists getting into this. Whether the fetus is self-aware or not is absolutely irrelevant. The DNA is human, the fetus is alive and we know that because the cells are multiplying and the baby is growing. The self-aware thing is something for philosophers to debate, and has no room in scientific debate and research.
Why not you may ask.
It’s simple. How do we know anyone is self-aware? Is WORMME self-aware? Am I? We believe so. We assume. But can we actually prove it without a doubt? Not really, no. For all we know it’s all an illusion. So the topic of self-awareness of a newborn baby or fetus at any stage of development is rendered completely irrelevant.
Science prevails and, as I said, the aborted baby is a human. 100%. No discussion about that. The evidence is clear. And killing humans is usually considered to be murder.
Of course people tend to argue that it’s about “burdens”. Well, as you all know my argument is always this: if babies are burdens for family and society, why stop there? What about old people? They’re a burden too. Let’s kill them because they’re inconvenient and cost us all a lot of money. That also solves the problem of our aging societies, a problem most rampant in Japan, but already causing issues across the EU as well. What about people with development issues? So called “retarded” people? Mentally handicapped? They’re a burden too. You know the solution. Let’s kill them. Physically handicapped? Sure, why not. They cost a lot of money. The tools they use, the rehabilitaion, the training. Lots of money. They’re burden. Let’s kill them.
Somehow this sounds awfully familiar.
What about ethnicity? Some groups in the population are more prone to be a burden for society and the state than others. Let’s kill them too.
Wait a second. I think we’ve been there some time ago, haven’t we? I’ve seen this before. Lebensunwertes Leben, and, as WORMME put up correctly, Final Solution.
By the way, am I the only one who finds it interesting and even somewhat amusing that groups like (sh)amnesty international get their panties in a twist when a country like Japan executes someone like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazaki and scream about human rights, but are 100% silent when it comes to the human rights of someone who hasn’t done anything bad, because he or she hasn’t even been born yet?
The hypocrisy, the double standards, the stupidity, it hurts!
And then I’m the bad guy when I say “I hate people”. Yep. The world. It’s a batsh*t crazy place and the inmates have taken over the asylum. Welcome to the ship of fools, enjoy your stay.
Human is a possible outcome, I would not like to destroy anything that has the possibility of being human some day, or which is human.
Sperm, like skin cells, are not human. Eggs the same. Add them though and all changes with the possibility of being human. Then it is up to chance, with the application of at least do no harm, as specified in the Hippocratic Oath.